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Fly Cutters

This is a great big page of Fly Cutter information.

What's a Fly Cutter?

When asked, "What is a Fly Cutter?" I would tend to say any single point cutter that is used on a mill. The most common fly cutters are used as surfacing tools. But, you also see single point form tools referred to as fly cutters on mills, for example a form tool being used to create an involute on a gear tooth.

I get asked about Fly Cutters a lot, there is a lot of traffic to CNCCookbook on those keywords, and Fly Cutters are very commonly used by manual machinists. While the CNC crowd will more often prefer facemills, even many CNC machinists realize that a very fine surface finish may be better done by fly cutting. Remove all but one insert from your facemill, and finish improves. The exception are those most expensive facemills where you can individually adjust the cutting height of each insert to 0.0001", because that's what it takes, and that's why fly cutters can leave a better finish. Many say their secret weapon for fine aluminum finishing is a fly cutter with a PCD (diamond) insert.

So, for CNC'ers the reason to use a fly cutter is to achieve a fine finish. In most cases, the best finish will be one that can be done in a single pass, which implies a large diameter tool and therefore probably not a face mill.

Speaking of CNC'ers, here is a video of David DeCaussin's scratch built mini VMC. You'll see a fly cutter in the tool changer that comes into use at about 11:05 on the video. He's using it to make a fine finish on a part in one pass:

 

David DeCaussin's Mini VMC uses a Fly Cutter at about 11:05 on the video...

David has probably forgotten more about CNC than most people will ever know. If you don't recognize the name, he is the "D" in FADAL and was one of the original founders of the company.

 

Flycutters Can Give Better Finish than Face Mills, But Why?

You often hear fly cutters can give the best possible finishes (albeit at slower speeds), but why? I found the answer in some Ingersoll literature where they suggest removing all but one cutter from a face mill if finish is of paramount performance because this converts the facemill to a flycutter which has no runout. Interesting!

 

Fly Cutter Feeds and Speeds

For Fly Cutter Feeds and Speeds see the Fly Cutter page in our Feeds and Speeds Cookbook or this blog post on how to set up G-Wizard Calculator for Fly Cutter feeds and speeds.

 

Fly Cutter Geometry

The trick with fly cutter geometry is converting the geometry of an appropriate lathe tool to behave given the geometry of how the fly cutter will engage the workpiece. There's no use talking about it, as it's a very visual thing. Speaking of which, here are a bunch of fly cutter geometry pictures:

Fly Cutter Geometry

Not bad, but the point needs a big radius and more positive rake...

Big Radius Fly Cutter

This fly cutter has a honkin' big radius...

Fly Cutters

These fly cutters are intended to use a geometry created by just grinding an angle on a piece of HSS round, for example, from another cutter that was broken. There's no positive rake, but there is clearance from the angle and a big radius so the geometry is not bad. Note: The center drill is just a placeholder and is not being used as a cutter!

fly cutter geometry

This one is very close, but the face is vertical and should tilt back away from us to create positive rake. The radius is about the minimum you'd want, but fine. Most people make the radius way too small...

HSS Fly Cutter Grind

Ideal fly cutter geometry for aluminum: big radius and tons of positive rake. This is Widgitmaster's design...

Widgitmaster's Homemade "Really Big" Fly Cutter

Why such a big fly cutter? Widgitmaster likes to finish all surfaces in a single pass to improve the finish. You'll also see him using really large end mills for the same reason in many cases. He remarks that even though they may chatter, it still gives a better finish than multiple passes.

Big Fly Cutter

The head was trammed to an angle, special vise jaws go on the outside of the vise, and look at Widgitmaster's homemade fly cutter!

Plans for Big Fly Cutter

Here are Widgitmaster's plans to build his fly cutter. I've got to try one of these and see how I like the finish. He takes 0.010" cuts with it. To make the square hole for the tool in the arm he cut it open, slot milled it, Tig welded it back together, and then turned the arm so you couldn't see the weld. Slick!

 

Flycutting German Style With a Boring Head

Came across this picture recently on a German site:

I'll bet the tool was ground from an old dull endmill judging from the finish, but I could be wrong about that. I would think a small radius would lead to a nicer finish...

 

ATale of Two Flycutters

You get the best finish when you can surface with a single pass of the cutter. This becomes difficult on wide plates. It's one reason why flycutters are popular, aside from being cheap: they cut a wide swath. But not all flycutters are equal. It's nice to have one that cuts the widest possible swatch, and it's nice to have smaller ones for more rigidity when cutting smaller work pieces. Here are my two flycutters:

Note the flycutter on the left can be extended to a wide circle...

It takes two passes with the smaller flycutter, which leaves an ugly line between the passes...

Note how you can see both sides of the fly cutter cutting. If they're even, your mill's head is properly trammed. Mine is close, but no cigar!

Using a flycutter that is wide enough for a single pass is much nicer. Note that it makes the tram issue worse when the cutter arm is longer (visualize the geometry to see why). Now we only see marks from one side cutting...

 

Neat Fly Cutter Tip for Milling in Lathe

You can set up a mill to act like a lathe or a lathe to act like a mill. Neccesity is the mother of invention. When you have to get by using their lathe as a mill, it is amazing what can actually be done in this fashion. How about this nifty way to face the end of a big block with a fly cutter in the 4-jaw:

Lathe Fly Cutter

Block bolted to cross slide, fly cutter in the 4-jaw...

More Fly Cutter Hijinx

Some good posts on a flycutter that Evan Williams made over on HSM:

He's got a hand ground HSS cutter on one end and an insert on the other. I don't think he means to cut with both at the same time, they're just options. I like the flat to reduce the chance the bar will slip. I'd also like to try an insert, but I would likely use TCMT's based on my experience making a dovetail cutter. Someone on the thread also suggested a set screw or other feature so that if the bar slips it is captured in the hub and won't go flying across the room.

A close up of the geometry on Evan's hand ground HSS fly cutter bit. It sits vertically, so acts more like a facing cut on a lathe...

 

Precision Fly Cutter

Here is a slightly different kind of flycutter that came up on eBay the other day as a "Precision Fly Cutter":

I don't know how "precision" they are, but they're interesting. Note how they're designed to fit a shell mill arbor. It's a good idea to give them as much support as possible as they have a lot of leverage on the spindle. I like the idea of using a shell mill arbor as opposed to putting a 3/4" shank on one and trying to stick it into a collet. Not a big fan of multi-cutter fly cutters. If you have more than one cutter in play, you should just use a Face Mill.

 

Tangential Tool Flycutter

Tangential tools are highly thought of for small manual lathes. They're easy to grind and the geometry makes them very rigid. Here is an example of the same principles applied to a fly cutter by the Mike's Workshop Blog:

Tangential Fly Cutter

I'd still want way more radius on the tips than is shown in Mike's article for the best finish.

 

 

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